Charlie Hogg on Leadership

April 2020 The Optimism Cafe: Charlie Hogg in Conversation on Spiritual Solutions to these Critical Times with an Optimism Meditation.

Robert Masters asked Charlie, "My question that I thought might be relevant to our leaders and that is, how did they move into that... or the questions that I need to think about it in their own mind about moving into the inner self in these times?"

Charlie Hogg replied, "Rob, I think that's the most brilliant question quite frankly because to me that's the seed of what we're seeing outside. Personally, I feel what we see in society, what we're seeing in the world around us is a reflection of our collective inner state.

"I think we've reached a point where this first and most intimate relationship with me is so unhealthy. I might be so educated, and I might have a prominent position, but often that relationship with me is very damaged and easily tiny things disturb me, deeply upset me, make me feel angry and it's like I have no control. I have so much understanding, so educated about the world outside, but so uneducated about the management of the world inside and how to deal with those incredibly powerful emotions that come on those feelings or chronic negative thinking.

"Or even more, that chronic self-doubt, that little person in your head that often it's creating so much doubt about myself. And this, I think what I've learned, no matter who we are, no matter what stature in society, often we go through this stuff, we all go through it in different ways. It's a wonderful conversation because I think unless the healing starts in the self as you say, Rob, I personally don't think we're going to see much change outside.

"And this spiritual university that Victor's been talking about, the fundamental ethic is when we change, the world changes. And we can do all the temporary bandages on all the stuff outside, but in this fundamentally, our human nature begins to shift a little bit, I'm not sure we're going to see a lot of change really happening around us.

"And that's why I think meditation and self-reflection combined with positive action is the methodology to move forward. And a part of that meditation is taking responsibility for who I am, taking responsibility. Otherwise, we palm it off. The finger of blame, the culture of blame is just absolutely rife. But I think that only exacerbates the problem rather than healing the problem.

"It's a big shift, but I feel the pandemic is almost automatically beginning to shift us towards this new paradigm of seeing myself much more deeply and taking responsibility."







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